The CIRS Group Podcast

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In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie reflect on their experience at the CIRSx 2025 conference in Tempe, AZ. They discuss highlights from the event, including impactful talks on tick-borne illnesses, brain health with Dr. Dale Bredesen, and insights on the gut microbiome by Dr. Lacey. They'll also discuss their own talk at the conference and how travel can be tough on a CIRS patient. For more information and support, visit us at our NEW website! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS00:00 Introduction and disclaimer00:33 CIRSx 2025 Highlights02:07 Proficiency Partner Program Changes04:13 Dr. Shoemaker's Triumphant Return05:18 Unexpected Shoey Award07:14 Barbara and Jacie's Talk at CIRSx07:48 Jacie's Health Scare13:08 The Takeaways from our Talk17:12 Acknowledging the Challenges of CIRS Practitioners18:13 Validating Your Decision to Stay Home18:57 Managing Chronic Illness and Exposure21:42 Travel and Health Management Strategies25:24 Conference Highlights and Talks
Check out our episode on Jacie's upcoming move (renter / moving tips) : https://youtu.be/ZCjCbxKeYQ0?si=-yuW1mu6UDJ5I3fl
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of the CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara delve into what exactly Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome or CIRS looks like. CIRS manifests in various ways depending on the individual and it's important to recognize the symptoms. The episode covers the genetic aspect of CIRS, the myriad of symptoms it can cause, and its potential connection to autoimmune conditions. They also emphasize the importance of proper diagnosis and treatment, advocating for the prioritization of addressing root causes over mere symptom management. For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction and Prepping for CIRSx01:10 What is CIRS?01:38 Symptoms and CIRS Diagnosis02:49 Personal Experiences with CIRS04:26 CIRS and Autoimmune Conditions05:25 Conventional Medicine vs. CIRS Treatment07:50 Common Misdiagnoses09:18 The Impact of CIRS on Daily Life12:14 Conclusion and Community Support
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie delve into the complexities of Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses, and how often these occur among CIRS patients. It also happens to be Lyme Disease Awareness Month! They'll cover important information about tick borne symptoms, testing methods, and treatment approaches.
Common tick borne illnesses include:- Lyme disease, often caused by Borrelia burgdorferi- Tick-Borne Relapsing Fever (TBRF)- Bartonella includes, but is not limited to, Cat Scratch Disease (CSD) and Trench Fever- Babesia, causing babesiosis- Rickettsia, causing rickettsiosis- Ehrlichiosis- Anaplasmosis
Barbara will also share her personal experience with tick-borne illness testing. Additionally, they discuss when to consider testing for Lyme and tick-borne illness, the role of conventional and herbal treatments, and offer practical advice for those seeking medical support. Tune in to learn more and get actionable steps to aid your healing journey. For more information and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer01:25 Why CIRS and chronic Tick-Borne Illnesses can happen03:00 Symptoms of acute and chronic tick borne illness 4:06 Lyme Disease cause and symptoms05:56 Bartonella or Cat Scratch Fever7:15 Babesia cause and symptoms7:47 Other tick borne infections8:30 Why tick borne illness can come up later in your treatment9:55 How do you get tick borne illness?11:55 Who is at risk for getting tick borne illnesses?13:20 How do you test for Tick-Borne Illnesses?18:32 Barbara's experience with testing for tick borne illnesses23:36 When to Consider Testing and Treatment28:25 Conclusion and join us at TheCIRSGroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:Our interview with Dr. Peg re: tick borne treatment: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=d_KlC1KMM0rjBEo7Tick Borne testing options discussed:https://igenex.com/https://www.mdlab.com/testing/vector-borne/Labs that will handle special tick blood tests:Any Lab Tests Now: https://www.anylabtestnow.com/Clinical Pathology Laboratories: https://www.cpllabs.com/
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Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara get into dust testing for mold, discussing personal experiences and sharing expert insights. They highlight different testing methods, including why MSQ-PCR testing is better than other methods, and when to use the ERMI vs the HERSMI-2 test. They'll explain why dust testing is generally more reliable than air sampling. They'll also go over how to do dust collection properly and how to interpret mold test results. Most importantly: Jacie and Barbara recommend working with an Indoor Environmental Professional (IEP) to get a comprehensive understanding of your environment and how to properly remediate. None of this is medical advice: always consult your doctor and IEP before making any changes to your treatment plan. For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction to Dust Testing00:49 Different Methods of Mold Testing02:08 Importance of MSQPCR Testing02:52 Understanding Mold Species and Air Sampling05:36 HERTSMI-2 and ERMI Tests06:54 Additional Tests: Actino and Endotoxins09:06 When to Test Your Environment13:14 How to Properly Collect Dust Samples22:01 Interpreting Your Test Results24:40 Conclusion and Resources
HELPFUL LINKS:Science behind mold testing: CIRSx talk by Bill Weber: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222/video/955676414Sequencing of remediation: CIRSx talk by Brandon Apple: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222/video/955676522ERMI test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/HERTSMI-2 test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/hertsmi-2/Our Endotoxin episode: https://youtu.be/O0iKndNzfYA?si=Fe6dJQmF4ZZoutuDOur Actino episode: https://youtu.be/q-KW5ZXUHVM?si=OOdQp6_cgd84wVQ2Our interview with Michael Schrantz on hiring an IEP: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=DsFN5k9SL3qWZMdwOur GENIE episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=1B3MIykrvavbbqc6
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

In this episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dig into which binders ACTUALLY WORK for Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) patients. They explain what binders are, how they help in detoxifying the body, and why they are essential for those with a genetic predisposition to CIRS. The episode details the intricacies of the Shoemaker protocol, the various types of binders such as cholestyramine, Welchol, and MycoBind, and their effectiveness. They'll also talk about generic binders like charcoal and clay and why they may not work to successfully treat illness from biotoxins. They also discuss how to properly take binders, manage side effects, and track progress through symptom tracking and blood work analysis. This episode aims to provide valuable insights and practical advice for CIRS patients while stressing the importance of consulting with a certified practitioner for appropriate medical guidance. Join the hosts in demystifying the world of binders and learn how to effectively manage your health journey with CIRS.
TIMESTAMPS00:00 Introduction to the CIRS Group Podcast00:50 What are binders?03:49 Why Shoemaker endorsed binders are best04:53 How to choose the Right Binder10:34 How to Take Binders Effectively15:52 Tracking Progress and Final Thoughts
HELPFUL LINKSResearch showing -azoles potentially causing brain atrophy:https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/TDM_metabolism_9_24_2020.pdfhttps://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/MRA_2_25_21_FINAL_Health_Risk_Assessments_from_Water_Damaged_Buildings_2_.pdfhttps://www.survivingmold.com/docs/BIBLIO_FUNGICIDE_RESISTANCE_MECHANSIMS_01_09_10.pdfhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10024029/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to another episode of the CIRS Group podcast with Jacie and Barbara! In this episode, we delve into nutrition strategies to support healing from Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). We'll tackle the importance of personalized diets, the role of a nutrition coach versus a nutritionist, and guidelines from the Shoemaker Protocol. Key topics include the benefits of a carnivore diet, the challenges of leptin resistance, and addressing issues like inflammation, histamine/MCAS, and food sensitivities. We'll also touch on the complexities of gut health, vitamin deficiencies, and adapting dietary strategies based on individual needs. Remember, none of this is medical advice, and it's crucial to consult your own healthcare provider before making any dietary changes. For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIME STAMPS:00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer00:57 Understanding Nutrition for CIRS02:33 Shoemaker's Recommendations04:01 Exploring the Carnivore Diet09:25 Histamine and Gluten Considerations12:57 GI Health and Vitamin Deficiencies19:57 Leptin Resistance and Final Thoughts
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-system, multi-symptom illness that affects 24% of the population. Today, we are discussing the most common symptoms, as well as lesser known issues that many CIRS patients endure before they get treated. Healing is possible! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer01:09 The Symptom Clusters and how CIRS is diagnosed03:55 Identifying symptoms in yourself07:16 Common but lesser known symptoms11:24 Archetypes in CIRS Patients14:57 Diagnoses that may really mean CIRS25:14 Join us at TheCIRSGroup.com!
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.comJenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collectiveMelanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbaraBook a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie welcome the OG CIRS coach and patient advocate, Jenny Johnson. As a board-certified health coach and founder of Simplified Wellness Designs, LLC, Jenny has helped countless CIRS clients navigate their health journey. We’ll hear about Jenny's personal battle and recovery from CIRS, her insights into effective treatment strategies, and practical advice for maintaining health post-recovery. Jenny will also share about how you can work with her: one-on-one coaching, consulting services, and her 'Equipped to Overcome CIRS' online course. Whether you're newly diagnosed or well into your CIRS journey, this episode is packed with valuable information and hope from one of the leading experts in the field.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction00:06 Meet Jenny Johnson: The OG CIRS Health Coach02:15 Jenny's Personal Journey with CIRS04:33 Family's Recovery Stories09:18 Life Post-Protocol: Managing and Thriving16:35 Advice for Those Overwhelmed by CIRS18:39 The Role of Coaching in CIRS Recovery19:44 Jenny's Services and Offerings27:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Jenny Johnson's links:Website: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/CIRS Community, Courses and Group Coaching: https://cirshealingcollective.mn.co/share/hCQ3hTjDCb1f1QZQ?utm_source=manual
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information, please visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara dive into the complexities of renting and moving while living with CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome). They discuss the importance of consulting with IEPs (Indoor Environmental Professionals), choosing the right location, conducting thorough inspections, and the vital steps of decontaminating belongings with small particle cleaning before moving in. The episode also provides strategies for getting out of a bad lease if the living conditions are not up to CIRS patient standards. We hope this provides valuable insight and practical tips to ensure a safe and healthy living environment as you heal from CIRS! 
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer01:23 Choosing the Right Location03:24 Apartment Hunting Tips06:24 Testing the Unit10:41 Moving In and Cleaning15:14 Dealing with Contaminated Items16:46 Getting Out of a Bad Lease20:15 Final Thoughts and Resources
Our episode with Kendra Seymour re: how to conduct your own home inspection: https://youtu.be/zmt9e42LLac?si=LYw8ndskD5GhX96t
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbaraBook a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.comSign up for updates and our next webinar! https://webinar.thecirsgroup.com/
In this episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dive into the shortcomings of conventional Western medicine, particularly for those suffering from chronic illnesses and autoimmune diseases. 
We share personal stories about the inadequacies we've faced, the importance of finding doctors who can address root causes, and how to advocate for your health. We cover why a team approach, involving proficiency partners and specialist doctors, is crucial for effective treatment and healing. The conversation is grounded in their experiences with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS), highlighting the necessity of holistic, personalized care.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview00:58 Personal Experiences with Conventional Medicine02:54 Challenges with Conventional Medical Appointments06:10 The Importance of Holistic and Functional Medicine13:47 Navigating the Healthcare System and Self-Advocacy17:26 Building Your Healthcare Team24:37 Final Thoughts and Resources
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:List of certified CIRS practitioners: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/list-of-certified-practitionersList of CIRS Proficiency Partners: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.comJenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collectiveMelanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbaraBook a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.